Post by Lorethian on Jun 12, 2013 15:22:19 GMT -5
(EDIT) Turns out the ban went through. I'm banned for a week, effectively the remainder of this Campaigns event. GG DanMingle, and fuck you.
Well, here we are again, boys and girls.
Dan has gone over the edge again, and decided that it's a good idea to report me for having alts.
Let me give some background. Back in May of 2012, DanMingle was a part of FURST. He decided to leave the clan because he was unhappy with how I ran things, and take several other members of FURST with him. None of them said anything to me, and since I don't get any notifcations at all, I found out weeks after, and it caused a LOT of drama. Easily the most drama I've ever had while running these clans. Needless to say, I felt betrayed. In fact, here's the thread I made about it:
furhq.boards.net/index.cgi?board=clan&action=display&thread=71
Fast forward a few months ago. I eventually got over the hard feelings, for the most part, and told him he was welcome back in the chat room in-game, and chatted with him occasionally.
About two months ago, he started talking about how managing FURRY was too much for him. He didn't have the time, it was harder than he expected, etc, so I offered my sympathies and understanding, but mostly left at that. A few weeks later, he mentioned actually merging the clan. I was skeptical at first, but as our own needs were expanding steadily, and we'd need a new clan anyway, I figured we could help each other out.
Here are snips of the developments:
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[04/03/2013 7:41:34 PM] DanMingle: thanks
[04/03/2013 7:41:35 PM] DanMingle: anyway
[04/03/2013 7:41:39 PM] DanMingle: how are thigns with you?
[04/03/2013 7:41:49 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: Decent, getting close to needing a 4th clan
[04/03/2013 7:41:53 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: Prolly 2 more months
[04/03/2013 7:42:06 PM] DanMingle: well i'm still sittign around waiting for shit to happen
[04/03/2013 7:42:10 PM] DanMingle: got 17 members
[04/03/2013 7:42:19 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: It's not easy (worry)
[04/03/2013 7:42:27 PM] DanMingle: me being sick didn't hel;p one lick
[19/05/2013 11:53:41 AM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: hey hun
[19/05/2013 11:54:01 AM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: I've discussed it with my officers, and were all pretty in favour of the merge :3
[19/05/2013 11:54:59 AM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: when I get home, I'll do up a paw design an see if we can come to an agreement on it. I'll be transferring blood wolf to FURRY as well, he's expressed interest in commanding a clan of his own, so I wanted to make him a deputy co to help you out gettig all the furries in the channel
[19/05/2013 11:59:37 AM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: oh, one thing I just remembered you mentioning, clan wars? all clan wars activity will be done in FUR-E, we wanna consolidate our efforts instead of spreading them out, so of someone wants to do clan wars, they'd need to have a tier 9+ tank, or tier 7+ arty, and transfer to fur-e
[19/05/2013 12:44:14 PM] DanMingle: yah I understand the clan wars part entirly. and yes that sounds liek a great idea
[19/05/2013 12:46:39 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: ^^
[19/05/2013 1:57:48 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: when I get home, we can make it official?
[19/05/2013 5:15:17 PM] DanMingle: well ok yes
[19/05/2013 5:15:19 PM] DanMingle: but
[19/05/2013 5:15:21 PM] DanMingle: umm yah
[19/05/2013 5:15:29 PM] DanMingle: I'm have some MAJOR problems with my pc right
[19/05/2013 5:15:33 PM] DanMingle: I will do what I cAn
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As you can see, he was asking ME to merge, not the other way around.
This merger wouldn't be without conditions. If FURRY was going to be part of the FUR__ family, I'd need to ensure that I could manage it effectively, so here were the conditions I gave him:
1 - I would require his account information so I could access his Commander rank account and make whatever changes to the clan were necessary (emblem, description, etc.)
2 - I would place an alt account in FURRY, so that I could receive email notifications whenever someone applied to the clan, could effectively process them, etc.
3 - FUR-E, as always, would be the only clan wars clan. Anyone who wanted to participate in clan wars would need tier 9+, and transfer to FUR-E
This went on for about a week before the post for Campaigns was released on the World of Tanks website, and I made a thread about it here:
furhq.boards.net/index.cgi?board=wars&action=display&thread=197
Pay special not to the last line I posted:
I'll be trying to come up with a plan of attack over the next few days. We may need to bring some people form FURHQ, FURST, and FURRD into FUR-E simply to give all of us the numbers we need to make a difference. Please leave any thoughts below!
The reason we had everyone transfer into FUR-E is because it would make things possible to coordinate. Instead of having 5 clans with half teams each, and mass confusion about "Wtf is going on?!?!", we would have 1 clan with multiple teams, and plenty of coordination.
Consequently, I informed all my officers, Dan included to let people in their respective clans know about the transfer requirements, and left it at that.
Dan himself transferred to FUR-E to participate in the event[/size] but then:
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[06/06/2013 5:29:08 PM] DanMingle: hey lore
[06/06/2013 5:29:17 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: Hey hun
[06/06/2013 5:29:18 PM] DanMingle: I got bad news
[06/06/2013 5:29:34 PM] DanMingle: I'm gonna have to pull out of the touroment
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So he transferred back.
Come June 10th, the event started. I logged into my alt account in FURRY to place chips on the map, as well as chips from all the other clans, in order to give FUR-E the optimum chance of success (aka, less enemies to fight, more territories gained). Maybe this is unfair, but let me reiterate, the requirement to temporarily move to FUR-E was known by Dan, and other FURRY officers, so everyone in FURHQ, FURST, FURRD, and FURRY had their chance to come over and join the team. Here's proof:
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[30/05/2013 12:16:21 AM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: Hey sexy! just in case you missed it in officer chat:
[May-29-13 8:09 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]:
<<< Change of plans, guys. We'll be combining all able and COMMITTED players to FUR-E for the event
It'll be TEMPORARY - until the rewards are all sent out, then people will be shifted back into their original clans
Please please PLEASE communicate this wiht your individual clans!! furhq.boards.net/index.cgi?action=display&board=wars&thread=200&page=1
For any of you officers who want to, we'll get you transferred as well in a few days, just want you guys to spread the word as much as possible
[30/05/2013 8:03:50 PM] DanMingle: hey kore
[30/05/2013 8:03:54 PM] DanMingle: lore*\
[30/05/2013 8:04:00 PM] DanMingle: sorry, damn fingers
[30/05/2013 8:04:21 PM] DanMingle: thanks for letting me join the little torney escapade
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By June 10th, it was beyond too late.
So after I placed the chips, Dan messages me on Skype:
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[10/06/2013 1:15:09 PM] DanMingle: hey lore
[10/06/2013 1:15:13 PM] DanMingle: you moved the chips right?
[10/06/2013 1:15:22 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: Yup
[10/06/2013 1:15:28 PM] DanMingle: it came up and alerted me so just curious
[10/06/2013 1:15:33 PM] DanMingle: it's tier 1 tonight right?
[10/06/2013 1:16:35 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: It alerts you??
Interesting!
[10/06/2013 1:16:36 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: And yes
[10/06/2013 1:16:48 PM] DanMingle: yes it does
[10/06/2013 1:16:53 PM] DanMingle: cause I made a program that does
(at which point we start talking about the program)
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I didn't think anything of it, until I happened to try to log into my alt account to see if there were any applications. I found I wasn't in the clan, at which point I tried asking Dan what the deal was. Dan was, and currently is, showing up as "offline" for me on Skype, however, he's online for everyone else. This means he's blocked me. He had also changed his account information so I couldn't invite my alt back in or do anything. He essentially performed a coup d'etat, for a second time, and stabbed me in the back. Here are the logs that he has with bluedogkillr.
I have key parts emphasized.
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[10:54:19 AM] bluedogkillr: hey! lore wanted to talk to u bout something last night. I think he's at work atm now tho.
[10:56:57 AM] Nadezda Fex: yes I know
[10:58:16 AM] Nadezda Fex: but what happened wasn't realy entirely under my control[/size]
[10:58:34 AM] Nadezda Fex: so I'm kinda having a hard time figuring out how to explain it
[11:02:26 AM] bluedogkillr: did u talk to him yet?
[11:02:34 AM] Nadezda Fex: no
[11:02:54 AM] bluedogkillr: wanna try to run it by me?
[11:03:04 AM] Nadezda Fex: I can try
[11:03:13 AM] Nadezda Fex: when the first landing happened
[11:03:27 AM] Nadezda Fex: my clan didn't want to participate
[11:03:39 AM] Nadezda Fex: they belived that it was only for Fur-E
[11:03:51 AM] Nadezda Fex: but I posted the page on the WoT website
[11:04:00 AM] Nadezda Fex: and they became enraged taht lore lied to them
[11:04:11 AM] Nadezda Fex: over 13 tickets have been sent to WoT
[11:04:21 AM] Nadezda Fex: to bann all his acounts for cheating and exploiting
[11:04:28 AM] bluedogkillr: o.o
[11:04:36 AM] bluedogkillr: why did they think that lore lied??
[11:04:40 AM] Nadezda Fex: and they have screen shots
[11:04:48 AM] Nadezda Fex: dude he kinda did
[11:04:55 AM] Nadezda Fex: he told them not to participate
[11:05:00 AM] Nadezda Fex: but not that there was free gold[/size]
[11:05:12 AM] Nadezda Fex: so when I showed them the page
[11:05:24 AM] Nadezda Fex: they became raging cuase they didn't know it was for gold
[11:05:45 AM] bluedogkillr: [11:03 AM] Nadezda Fex:
<<< but I posted the page on the WoT website
[11:05:50 AM] Nadezda Fex: yah
[11:05:55 AM] bluedogkillr: the world of tanks official site?
[11:06:00 AM] Nadezda Fex: yes
[11:06:06 AM] bluedogkillr: the event page?
[11:06:07 AM] Nadezda Fex: the one about the tier one clan wars
[11:06:09 AM] bluedogkillr: ok
[11:06:28 AM] Nadezda Fex: I kicked his alt to keep him from moving the chips
[11:06:33 AM] Nadezda Fex: I did not want things to escalate
[11:08:04 AM] bluedogkillr: anyone who wanted to participate in the event was supposed to move to FUR-E. THEN, all the other clans would have chips placed to act as "dummy" battles to make it easier for FUR-E to gain land. SO, anyone who wanted to participate and get gold was supposed to have switched over to FUR-E.
[11:08:19 AM] bluedogkillr: its easier to split up the gold to everyone in the same clan thats why
[11:08:43 AM] Nadezda Fex: but thats entirely against the rules and I guess my clan are rule jokkies
[11:09:00 AM] bluedogkillr: what rules?
[11:09:21 AM] Nadezda Fex: ok let me go get them
[11:09:28 AM] Nadezda Fex: I should jsut copy these things doen
[11:09:31 AM] bluedogkillr: WoT rules? our own clan rules?
[11:09:37 AM] Nadezda Fex: WoT rules
[11:10:43 AM] bluedogkillr: if u can find them great, if not, then w/e. But i dont see how any rules were broken unless u are referring to alternate accounts
[11:11:22 AM] Nadezda Fex: again I'm trying to understand what all happened
[11:11:28 AM] Nadezda Fex: I'm in the middle of vacation
[11:11:37 AM] Nadezda Fex: so i'm not exaclty paying that much attention
[11:11:48 AM] Nadezda Fex: but I do belive it's because of that
[11:12:19 AM] bluedogkillr: because of the alt accounts? srry for me being slow
[11:12:29 AM] Nadezda Fex: yes
[11:12:33 AM] bluedogkillr: ok,
[11:13:03 AM] bluedogkillr: thats kind of a seperate issue, but from what i gather it seems like an epic misunderstanding
[11:13:19 AM] Nadezda Fex: idk
[11:13:25 AM] bluedogkillr: dont worry about it
[11:13:35 AM] bluedogkillr: itll get sorted. enjoy ur vacation!
[11:13:47 AM] bluedogkillr: appreciate u taking the time to explain
[11:13:55 AM] Nadezda Fex: kk
[11:14:02 AM] Nadezda Fex: i'm at death valley right now
[11:14:11 AM] Nadezda Fex: about to see the -40degree watters
[11:14:14 AM] bluedogkillr: well, that sounds...
[11:15:03 AM] bluedogkillr: awesome. lol had to google death valley
[11:15:29 AM] Nadezda Fex: ok here we go
[11:15:33 AM] Nadezda Fex: FIrst rule they mentioned
[11:15:43 AM] Nadezda Fex: 4.07. Using bots, clickers, macros, keyboard and mouse recorders, or any other similar methods to accumulate credits and experience without the participation or with passive participation of the player within the battle. (Excessive and repetitive passive play)
[11:15:50 AM] Nadezda Fex: they saidi that counted as what happened
[11:16:08 AM] bluedogkillr: is this a response from WG?
[11:16:09 AM] Nadezda Fex: and all I have is the numbers I don't have the rules so i'm getting them off the site
[11:16:12 AM] Nadezda Fex: no
[11:16:15 AM] Nadezda Fex: it's the rules
[11:16:22 AM] bluedogkillr: for the event or in general?
[11:16:24 AM] Nadezda Fex: forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/forum-29/announcement-74-world-of-tanks-game-rules/
[11:16:30 AM] Nadezda Fex: it's all the rules
[11:16:40 AM] bluedogkillr: k gotcha
[11:16:49 AM] Nadezda Fex: there's more
[11:17:10 AM] bluedogkillr: [11:15 AM] Nadezda Fex:
<<< they saidi that counted as what happenedwho's they?
[11:17:32 AM] Nadezda Fex: alot of my clan members, I'd have to go make a lsit
[11:17:43 AM] bluedogkillr: just clarifying
[11:17:49 AM] bluedogkillr: ur on vaca dont stress it
[11:18:23 AM] Nadezda Fex: those are the ingame rules
[11:19:56 AM] bluedogkillr: dont worry bout it, i get it.
[11:20:02 AM] Nadezda Fex: ok
[11:20:10 AM] Nadezda Fex: there's a bunch of stuff they found i the EULA
[11:20:16 AM] bluedogkillr: There are two parts to this
[11:20:20 AM] Nadezda Fex: kk
[11:20:32 AM] bluedogkillr: 1. peeps misunderstood what was supposed to happen
[11:20:52 AM] bluedogkillr: 2. peeps got upset and complained stating rules that may or may not have been borken
[11:21:06 AM] Nadezda Fex: well the problem I see with it
[11:21:09 AM] bluedogkillr: the first one is the most important to address
[11:21:17 AM] Nadezda Fex: is there is a provable rule being broken
[11:21:23 AM] Nadezda Fex: and they made tickets for it
[11:21:32 AM] bluedogkillr: yeah thats out of anyone's control here
[11:21:34 AM] Nadezda Fex: which can result in a instant ban
[11:21:44 AM] Nadezda Fex: without warning
[11:21:45 AM] bluedogkillr: i wouldnt even worry about that, it happened
[11:21:51 AM] bluedogkillr: no use crying over it now
[11:21:52 AM] Nadezda Fex: ok
[11:21:58 AM] Nadezda Fex: well thansk man
[11:22:05 AM] Nadezda Fex: I may not be on for the next few days
[11:22:14 AM] bluedogkillr: np, i'll let lore know some time this evening
[11:22:17 AM] Nadezda Fex: my skype may be on casue I left my desktop at home on
[11:22:39 AM] Nadezda Fex: my friend is lookign after my house and he could not wait to get my pc for 2 weeks
[11:22:44 AM] bluedogkillr: ha
[11:23:13 AM] bluedogkillr: again, dont worry about it, it'll get sorted out and I will let lore know what's going on.
[11:23:19 AM] bluedogkillr: and most important
[11:23:26 AM] bluedogkillr: enjoy ur vaca at death valley
[11:23:41 AM] Nadezda Fex: well in 3 days it'll be vagas
[11:23:49 AM] Nadezda Fex: and 5 days it'll be colorado
[11:23:51 AM] bluedogkillr: niiice
[11:24:15 AM] Nadezda Fex: it's what happens when it's jsut you and a cusin who are young adults that can drive al over hte place
[11:25:20 AM] bluedogkillr: thats awesome, have fun
[11:35:00 AM] bluedogkillr: lore says you blocked him. is it possible to unblock?
[11:38:51 AM] Nadezda Fex: I didn't block him?
[11:38:57 AM] Nadezda Fex: oh I know what happened
[11:39:10 AM] Nadezda Fex: my friend probibly blocked cause he got tiered of the beeps
[11:39:22 AM] Nadezda Fex: I'll talk to him to get them unblocked
[11:39:28 AM] Nadezda Fex: i'm on my phone right now
[11:39:32 AM] bluedogkillr: ok, thanks!
[11:45:11 AM] bluedogkillr: can u still chat with lore even if he is blocked? that might be easier
[11:45:19 AM] Nadezda Fex: no I cna't
[11:45:25 AM] Nadezda Fex: I sent a test message
[11:45:32 AM] bluedogkillr: huh ok
[11:47:21 AM..
[3:24:46 PM] bluedogkillr: and u cant unblock him from ur phone?
[11:47:31 AM] Nadezda Fex: I can't find out how[/size]
[11:47:46 AM] Nadezda Fex: and i'm getting ready to go hiing so i'm gonna be away from my skypable phone
[11:48:03 AM] bluedogkillr: k
[12:21:37 PM] bluedogkillr: If ur there or when you get this: go to the main screen on Skype, and go to "blocked contacts"
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Here are my points:
[10:58:16 AM] Nadezda Fex: but what happened wasn't realy entirely under my control[/size]
Oh no? then why was he actively telling FURRY members to report me?
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[4:53:05 PM] DrApocalypse: the leader of [Furry] is telling all his members to create tickets about you making other accounts. this is what he told me to put in the ticket.
[4:53:05 PM] DrApocalypse: Hello
I recently invited a friend into my clan and I eventually gave him a deputy commander status. He then put my clan chips on the same province. I then realized that he also had at least four know alternate accounts and owned four other clans. Each account was linked to a clan. He then proceeded to use all four clans to make a landing in an area to get to the gold easier. By telling everyone that it was a sham and not to enter the clan wars Que, the battles resolved automatically, making it easier for him to get the province. I ask that the alternate accounts be deleted and that this will not be allowed.
please and thank you.
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DrApocalypse helpfully pasted what DanMingle wanted each member of FURRY to report to Wargaming.
[11:05:00 AM] Nadezda Fex: but not that there was free gold[/size]
Free gold? He clearly doesn't know what clan wars is about. FUR-E fought hard for it's land. If FURRY were going to fight for Pittsburgh, the place they were applied, they would have been annihilated by SIMP, a huge clan that managed to defeat FUR-E even when they were coordinated. FURRY members had no training on the designated map, so thinking of it as "free gold" is, frankly, a fucking laughing stock and supremely insulting to all the furs in FUR-E who busted their asses off the past 2 weeks preparing for this
[3:24:46 PM] bluedogkillr: and u cant unblock him from ur phone?
[11:47:31 AM] Nadezda Fex: I can't find out how[/size]
It's not rocket science. He simply doesn't want to talk to me.
So Lore, what do you want us to do with this post?
I want you all to be INFORMED. I'm not asking you to NOT report me; it IS against the rules to have alt accounts. But there is LITERALLY NO OTHER WAY to keep track of 5 clans other than to plant 1 alt account in each to keep an eye on applications. Dan himself said that he needed help. I provided it, and he stabbed me in the back because he didn't get "free gold".
In summary, fuck you Dan. We're done. I forgave you the first time, and gave you the benefit of the doubt. I went out of my way to help you, and this is how you repay me? Going behind my back, and encouraging a practical riot in your own clan, and making me look like some sort of villain?
DanMingle is no longer welcome in the FURHQ chat channel, Teamspeak, or any other FURHQ media.[/size] Whatever the outcome of this whole ticket business, you've done nothing but stab me in the back when I've let you get close.
Well, here we are again, boys and girls.
Dan has gone over the edge again, and decided that it's a good idea to report me for having alts.
Let me give some background. Back in May of 2012, DanMingle was a part of FURST. He decided to leave the clan because he was unhappy with how I ran things, and take several other members of FURST with him. None of them said anything to me, and since I don't get any notifcations at all, I found out weeks after, and it caused a LOT of drama. Easily the most drama I've ever had while running these clans. Needless to say, I felt betrayed. In fact, here's the thread I made about it:
furhq.boards.net/index.cgi?board=clan&action=display&thread=71
Fast forward a few months ago. I eventually got over the hard feelings, for the most part, and told him he was welcome back in the chat room in-game, and chatted with him occasionally.
About two months ago, he started talking about how managing FURRY was too much for him. He didn't have the time, it was harder than he expected, etc, so I offered my sympathies and understanding, but mostly left at that. A few weeks later, he mentioned actually merging the clan. I was skeptical at first, but as our own needs were expanding steadily, and we'd need a new clan anyway, I figured we could help each other out.
Here are snips of the developments:
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[04/03/2013 7:41:34 PM] DanMingle: thanks
[04/03/2013 7:41:35 PM] DanMingle: anyway
[04/03/2013 7:41:39 PM] DanMingle: how are thigns with you?
[04/03/2013 7:41:49 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: Decent, getting close to needing a 4th clan
[04/03/2013 7:41:53 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: Prolly 2 more months
[04/03/2013 7:42:06 PM] DanMingle: well i'm still sittign around waiting for shit to happen
[04/03/2013 7:42:10 PM] DanMingle: got 17 members
[04/03/2013 7:42:19 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: It's not easy (worry)
[04/03/2013 7:42:27 PM] DanMingle: me being sick didn't hel;p one lick
[19/05/2013 11:53:41 AM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: hey hun
[19/05/2013 11:54:01 AM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: I've discussed it with my officers, and were all pretty in favour of the merge :3
[19/05/2013 11:54:59 AM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: when I get home, I'll do up a paw design an see if we can come to an agreement on it. I'll be transferring blood wolf to FURRY as well, he's expressed interest in commanding a clan of his own, so I wanted to make him a deputy co to help you out gettig all the furries in the channel
[19/05/2013 11:59:37 AM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: oh, one thing I just remembered you mentioning, clan wars? all clan wars activity will be done in FUR-E, we wanna consolidate our efforts instead of spreading them out, so of someone wants to do clan wars, they'd need to have a tier 9+ tank, or tier 7+ arty, and transfer to fur-e
[19/05/2013 12:44:14 PM] DanMingle: yah I understand the clan wars part entirly. and yes that sounds liek a great idea
[19/05/2013 12:46:39 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: ^^
[19/05/2013 1:57:48 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: when I get home, we can make it official?
[19/05/2013 5:15:17 PM] DanMingle: well ok yes
[19/05/2013 5:15:19 PM] DanMingle: but
[19/05/2013 5:15:21 PM] DanMingle: umm yah
[19/05/2013 5:15:29 PM] DanMingle: I'm have some MAJOR problems with my pc right
[19/05/2013 5:15:33 PM] DanMingle: I will do what I cAn
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As you can see, he was asking ME to merge, not the other way around.
This merger wouldn't be without conditions. If FURRY was going to be part of the FUR__ family, I'd need to ensure that I could manage it effectively, so here were the conditions I gave him:
1 - I would require his account information so I could access his Commander rank account and make whatever changes to the clan were necessary (emblem, description, etc.)
2 - I would place an alt account in FURRY, so that I could receive email notifications whenever someone applied to the clan, could effectively process them, etc.
3 - FUR-E, as always, would be the only clan wars clan. Anyone who wanted to participate in clan wars would need tier 9+, and transfer to FUR-E
This went on for about a week before the post for Campaigns was released on the World of Tanks website, and I made a thread about it here:
furhq.boards.net/index.cgi?board=wars&action=display&thread=197
Pay special not to the last line I posted:
I'll be trying to come up with a plan of attack over the next few days. We may need to bring some people form FURHQ, FURST, and FURRD into FUR-E simply to give all of us the numbers we need to make a difference. Please leave any thoughts below!
The reason we had everyone transfer into FUR-E is because it would make things possible to coordinate. Instead of having 5 clans with half teams each, and mass confusion about "Wtf is going on?!?!", we would have 1 clan with multiple teams, and plenty of coordination.
Consequently, I informed all my officers, Dan included to let people in their respective clans know about the transfer requirements, and left it at that.
Dan himself transferred to FUR-E to participate in the event[/size] but then:
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[06/06/2013 5:29:08 PM] DanMingle: hey lore
[06/06/2013 5:29:17 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: Hey hun
[06/06/2013 5:29:18 PM] DanMingle: I got bad news
[06/06/2013 5:29:34 PM] DanMingle: I'm gonna have to pull out of the touroment
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So he transferred back.
Come June 10th, the event started. I logged into my alt account in FURRY to place chips on the map, as well as chips from all the other clans, in order to give FUR-E the optimum chance of success (aka, less enemies to fight, more territories gained). Maybe this is unfair, but let me reiterate, the requirement to temporarily move to FUR-E was known by Dan, and other FURRY officers, so everyone in FURHQ, FURST, FURRD, and FURRY had their chance to come over and join the team. Here's proof:
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[30/05/2013 12:16:21 AM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: Hey sexy! just in case you missed it in officer chat:
[May-29-13 8:09 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]:
<<< Change of plans, guys. We'll be combining all able and COMMITTED players to FUR-E for the event
It'll be TEMPORARY - until the rewards are all sent out, then people will be shifted back into their original clans
Please please PLEASE communicate this wiht your individual clans!! furhq.boards.net/index.cgi?action=display&board=wars&thread=200&page=1
For any of you officers who want to, we'll get you transferred as well in a few days, just want you guys to spread the word as much as possible
[30/05/2013 8:03:50 PM] DanMingle: hey kore
[30/05/2013 8:03:54 PM] DanMingle: lore*\
[30/05/2013 8:04:00 PM] DanMingle: sorry, damn fingers
[30/05/2013 8:04:21 PM] DanMingle: thanks for letting me join the little torney escapade
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By June 10th, it was beyond too late.
So after I placed the chips, Dan messages me on Skype:
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[10/06/2013 1:15:09 PM] DanMingle: hey lore
[10/06/2013 1:15:13 PM] DanMingle: you moved the chips right?
[10/06/2013 1:15:22 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: Yup
[10/06/2013 1:15:28 PM] DanMingle: it came up and alerted me so just curious
[10/06/2013 1:15:33 PM] DanMingle: it's tier 1 tonight right?
[10/06/2013 1:16:35 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: It alerts you??
Interesting![10/06/2013 1:16:36 PM] Chu/Lorethian [FURHQ]: And yes
[10/06/2013 1:16:48 PM] DanMingle: yes it does
[10/06/2013 1:16:53 PM] DanMingle: cause I made a program that does
(at which point we start talking about the program)
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I didn't think anything of it, until I happened to try to log into my alt account to see if there were any applications. I found I wasn't in the clan, at which point I tried asking Dan what the deal was. Dan was, and currently is, showing up as "offline" for me on Skype, however, he's online for everyone else. This means he's blocked me. He had also changed his account information so I couldn't invite my alt back in or do anything. He essentially performed a coup d'etat, for a second time, and stabbed me in the back. Here are the logs that he has with bluedogkillr.
I have key parts emphasized.
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[10:54:19 AM] bluedogkillr: hey! lore wanted to talk to u bout something last night. I think he's at work atm now tho.
[10:56:57 AM] Nadezda Fex: yes I know
[10:58:16 AM] Nadezda Fex: but what happened wasn't realy entirely under my control[/size]
[10:58:34 AM] Nadezda Fex: so I'm kinda having a hard time figuring out how to explain it
[11:02:26 AM] bluedogkillr: did u talk to him yet?
[11:02:34 AM] Nadezda Fex: no
[11:02:54 AM] bluedogkillr: wanna try to run it by me?
[11:03:04 AM] Nadezda Fex: I can try
[11:03:13 AM] Nadezda Fex: when the first landing happened
[11:03:27 AM] Nadezda Fex: my clan didn't want to participate
[11:03:39 AM] Nadezda Fex: they belived that it was only for Fur-E
[11:03:51 AM] Nadezda Fex: but I posted the page on the WoT website
[11:04:00 AM] Nadezda Fex: and they became enraged taht lore lied to them
[11:04:11 AM] Nadezda Fex: over 13 tickets have been sent to WoT
[11:04:21 AM] Nadezda Fex: to bann all his acounts for cheating and exploiting
[11:04:28 AM] bluedogkillr: o.o
[11:04:36 AM] bluedogkillr: why did they think that lore lied??
[11:04:40 AM] Nadezda Fex: and they have screen shots
[11:04:48 AM] Nadezda Fex: dude he kinda did
[11:04:55 AM] Nadezda Fex: he told them not to participate
[11:05:00 AM] Nadezda Fex: but not that there was free gold[/size]
[11:05:12 AM] Nadezda Fex: so when I showed them the page
[11:05:24 AM] Nadezda Fex: they became raging cuase they didn't know it was for gold
[11:05:45 AM] bluedogkillr: [11:03 AM] Nadezda Fex:
<<< but I posted the page on the WoT website
[11:05:50 AM] Nadezda Fex: yah
[11:05:55 AM] bluedogkillr: the world of tanks official site?
[11:06:00 AM] Nadezda Fex: yes
[11:06:06 AM] bluedogkillr: the event page?
[11:06:07 AM] Nadezda Fex: the one about the tier one clan wars
[11:06:09 AM] bluedogkillr: ok
[11:06:28 AM] Nadezda Fex: I kicked his alt to keep him from moving the chips
[11:06:33 AM] Nadezda Fex: I did not want things to escalate
[11:08:04 AM] bluedogkillr: anyone who wanted to participate in the event was supposed to move to FUR-E. THEN, all the other clans would have chips placed to act as "dummy" battles to make it easier for FUR-E to gain land. SO, anyone who wanted to participate and get gold was supposed to have switched over to FUR-E.
[11:08:19 AM] bluedogkillr: its easier to split up the gold to everyone in the same clan thats why
[11:08:43 AM] Nadezda Fex: but thats entirely against the rules and I guess my clan are rule jokkies
[11:09:00 AM] bluedogkillr: what rules?
[11:09:21 AM] Nadezda Fex: ok let me go get them
[11:09:28 AM] Nadezda Fex: I should jsut copy these things doen
[11:09:31 AM] bluedogkillr: WoT rules? our own clan rules?
[11:09:37 AM] Nadezda Fex: WoT rules
[11:10:43 AM] bluedogkillr: if u can find them great, if not, then w/e. But i dont see how any rules were broken unless u are referring to alternate accounts
[11:11:22 AM] Nadezda Fex: again I'm trying to understand what all happened
[11:11:28 AM] Nadezda Fex: I'm in the middle of vacation
[11:11:37 AM] Nadezda Fex: so i'm not exaclty paying that much attention
[11:11:48 AM] Nadezda Fex: but I do belive it's because of that
[11:12:19 AM] bluedogkillr: because of the alt accounts? srry for me being slow
[11:12:29 AM] Nadezda Fex: yes
[11:12:33 AM] bluedogkillr: ok,
[11:13:03 AM] bluedogkillr: thats kind of a seperate issue, but from what i gather it seems like an epic misunderstanding
[11:13:19 AM] Nadezda Fex: idk
[11:13:25 AM] bluedogkillr: dont worry about it
[11:13:35 AM] bluedogkillr: itll get sorted. enjoy ur vacation!
[11:13:47 AM] bluedogkillr: appreciate u taking the time to explain
[11:13:55 AM] Nadezda Fex: kk
[11:14:02 AM] Nadezda Fex: i'm at death valley right now
[11:14:11 AM] Nadezda Fex: about to see the -40degree watters
[11:14:14 AM] bluedogkillr: well, that sounds...
[11:15:03 AM] bluedogkillr: awesome. lol had to google death valley
[11:15:29 AM] Nadezda Fex: ok here we go
[11:15:33 AM] Nadezda Fex: FIrst rule they mentioned
[11:15:43 AM] Nadezda Fex: 4.07. Using bots, clickers, macros, keyboard and mouse recorders, or any other similar methods to accumulate credits and experience without the participation or with passive participation of the player within the battle. (Excessive and repetitive passive play)
[11:15:50 AM] Nadezda Fex: they saidi that counted as what happened
[11:16:08 AM] bluedogkillr: is this a response from WG?
[11:16:09 AM] Nadezda Fex: and all I have is the numbers I don't have the rules so i'm getting them off the site
[11:16:12 AM] Nadezda Fex: no
[11:16:15 AM] Nadezda Fex: it's the rules
[11:16:22 AM] bluedogkillr: for the event or in general?
[11:16:24 AM] Nadezda Fex: forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/forum-29/announcement-74-world-of-tanks-game-rules/
[11:16:30 AM] Nadezda Fex: it's all the rules
[11:16:40 AM] bluedogkillr: k gotcha
[11:16:49 AM] Nadezda Fex: there's more
[11:17:10 AM] bluedogkillr: [11:15 AM] Nadezda Fex:
<<< they saidi that counted as what happenedwho's they?
[11:17:32 AM] Nadezda Fex: alot of my clan members, I'd have to go make a lsit
[11:17:43 AM] bluedogkillr: just clarifying
[11:17:49 AM] bluedogkillr: ur on vaca dont stress it
[11:18:23 AM] Nadezda Fex: those are the ingame rules
[11:19:56 AM] bluedogkillr: dont worry bout it, i get it.
[11:20:02 AM] Nadezda Fex: ok
[11:20:10 AM] Nadezda Fex: there's a bunch of stuff they found i the EULA
[11:20:16 AM] bluedogkillr: There are two parts to this
[11:20:20 AM] Nadezda Fex: kk
[11:20:32 AM] bluedogkillr: 1. peeps misunderstood what was supposed to happen
[11:20:52 AM] bluedogkillr: 2. peeps got upset and complained stating rules that may or may not have been borken
[11:21:06 AM] Nadezda Fex: well the problem I see with it
[11:21:09 AM] bluedogkillr: the first one is the most important to address
[11:21:17 AM] Nadezda Fex: is there is a provable rule being broken
[11:21:23 AM] Nadezda Fex: and they made tickets for it
[11:21:32 AM] bluedogkillr: yeah thats out of anyone's control here
[11:21:34 AM] Nadezda Fex: which can result in a instant ban
[11:21:44 AM] Nadezda Fex: without warning
[11:21:45 AM] bluedogkillr: i wouldnt even worry about that, it happened
[11:21:51 AM] bluedogkillr: no use crying over it now
[11:21:52 AM] Nadezda Fex: ok
[11:21:58 AM] Nadezda Fex: well thansk man
[11:22:05 AM] Nadezda Fex: I may not be on for the next few days
[11:22:14 AM] bluedogkillr: np, i'll let lore know some time this evening
[11:22:17 AM] Nadezda Fex: my skype may be on casue I left my desktop at home on
[11:22:39 AM] Nadezda Fex: my friend is lookign after my house and he could not wait to get my pc for 2 weeks
[11:22:44 AM] bluedogkillr: ha
[11:23:13 AM] bluedogkillr: again, dont worry about it, it'll get sorted out and I will let lore know what's going on.
[11:23:19 AM] bluedogkillr: and most important
[11:23:26 AM] bluedogkillr: enjoy ur vaca at death valley
[11:23:41 AM] Nadezda Fex: well in 3 days it'll be vagas
[11:23:49 AM] Nadezda Fex: and 5 days it'll be colorado
[11:23:51 AM] bluedogkillr: niiice
[11:24:15 AM] Nadezda Fex: it's what happens when it's jsut you and a cusin who are young adults that can drive al over hte place
[11:25:20 AM] bluedogkillr: thats awesome, have fun
[11:35:00 AM] bluedogkillr: lore says you blocked him. is it possible to unblock?
[11:38:51 AM] Nadezda Fex: I didn't block him?
[11:38:57 AM] Nadezda Fex: oh I know what happened
[11:39:10 AM] Nadezda Fex: my friend probibly blocked cause he got tiered of the beeps
[11:39:22 AM] Nadezda Fex: I'll talk to him to get them unblocked
[11:39:28 AM] Nadezda Fex: i'm on my phone right now
[11:39:32 AM] bluedogkillr: ok, thanks!
[11:45:11 AM] bluedogkillr: can u still chat with lore even if he is blocked? that might be easier
[11:45:19 AM] Nadezda Fex: no I cna't
[11:45:25 AM] Nadezda Fex: I sent a test message
[11:45:32 AM] bluedogkillr: huh ok
[11:47:21 AM..
[3:24:46 PM] bluedogkillr: and u cant unblock him from ur phone?
[11:47:31 AM] Nadezda Fex: I can't find out how[/size]
[11:47:46 AM] Nadezda Fex: and i'm getting ready to go hiing so i'm gonna be away from my skypable phone
[11:48:03 AM] bluedogkillr: k
[12:21:37 PM] bluedogkillr: If ur there or when you get this: go to the main screen on Skype, and go to "blocked contacts"
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Here are my points:
[10:58:16 AM] Nadezda Fex: but what happened wasn't realy entirely under my control[/size]
Oh no? then why was he actively telling FURRY members to report me?
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[4:53:05 PM] DrApocalypse: the leader of [Furry] is telling all his members to create tickets about you making other accounts. this is what he told me to put in the ticket.
[4:53:05 PM] DrApocalypse: Hello
I recently invited a friend into my clan and I eventually gave him a deputy commander status. He then put my clan chips on the same province. I then realized that he also had at least four know alternate accounts and owned four other clans. Each account was linked to a clan. He then proceeded to use all four clans to make a landing in an area to get to the gold easier. By telling everyone that it was a sham and not to enter the clan wars Que, the battles resolved automatically, making it easier for him to get the province. I ask that the alternate accounts be deleted and that this will not be allowed.
please and thank you.
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DrApocalypse helpfully pasted what DanMingle wanted each member of FURRY to report to Wargaming.
[11:05:00 AM] Nadezda Fex: but not that there was free gold[/size]
Free gold? He clearly doesn't know what clan wars is about. FUR-E fought hard for it's land. If FURRY were going to fight for Pittsburgh, the place they were applied, they would have been annihilated by SIMP, a huge clan that managed to defeat FUR-E even when they were coordinated. FURRY members had no training on the designated map, so thinking of it as "free gold" is, frankly, a fucking laughing stock and supremely insulting to all the furs in FUR-E who busted their asses off the past 2 weeks preparing for this
[3:24:46 PM] bluedogkillr: and u cant unblock him from ur phone?
[11:47:31 AM] Nadezda Fex: I can't find out how[/size]
It's not rocket science. He simply doesn't want to talk to me.
So Lore, what do you want us to do with this post?
I want you all to be INFORMED. I'm not asking you to NOT report me; it IS against the rules to have alt accounts. But there is LITERALLY NO OTHER WAY to keep track of 5 clans other than to plant 1 alt account in each to keep an eye on applications. Dan himself said that he needed help. I provided it, and he stabbed me in the back because he didn't get "free gold".
In summary, fuck you Dan. We're done. I forgave you the first time, and gave you the benefit of the doubt. I went out of my way to help you, and this is how you repay me? Going behind my back, and encouraging a practical riot in your own clan, and making me look like some sort of villain?
DanMingle is no longer welcome in the FURHQ chat channel, Teamspeak, or any other FURHQ media.[/size] Whatever the outcome of this whole ticket business, you've done nothing but stab me in the back when I've let you get close.
